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EJGr.Ost_Caspar 05-26-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 429426)
Oh, did I say I can't wait for flyable Hawk 75s?

:grin:


I'd personally prefer a P-36 or a H75-C1, as I do like the U.S. and french camo more. 8-)

Nice shot!

ElAurens 05-26-2012 09:31 PM

My preference is the P36, be sure, but, the Finnish Hawks have the best chance of seeing use in IL2, they have the only real map to use them on.

Yes, I know about the Hawaii map, and yes that is the only time US P36s saw combat, but it still would be cool to find a way to use them.

We only have one map of France as well.

Glider 05-26-2012 09:56 PM

If you would like a what if type of scenario the RAF had I think about 200 P36 in reserve in early 1941

ElAurens 05-26-2012 10:09 PM

Yes they did.

Planes originally destined for France.

They ended up in North Africa and in the CBI theater of operations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRekbtRpU0

Pips 05-26-2012 11:44 PM

British Mohawks (P-36) even saw limited operational service in Burma.

vanir 05-27-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar (Post 429087)
Yes, I can imagine. :-D



New FM is not set yet. So if you have any reference about its FM, don't hesitate to share, because we maybe don't have it yet. ;-)

Looks like the bulk of Finnish ones had the 1050hp (rated not WEP) twin wasp SC3-G motors.
Their real strength was dive speed. The factor that won the French order was a 400mph dive speed in show trials, considered totally remarkable at the time. I've got some anecdotes from the test pilot and ground crew for that trial but no performance tables or anything, just his description and some figures here and there.

ElAurens 05-27-2012 11:29 AM

At the Curtiss demonstration of dive speed for the French, an amazingly high, 575 mph, was reported, but this was due mostly to error in the recording instruments. Still, the Hawk 75 could dive much faster than the unthinkably low 390mph IAS limit that was artificially placed on it by the USAAC. After all, this is the same basic airframe used in the Hawk 81 versions of the P40, and they were good for what?, 500mph IAS in the dive?

Also of note, the P36 was the first US Army aircraft with any kind of red line speed restrictions. We were entering a new world of aircraft performance.

Not bad for a design that dates to 1934.

Lagarto 05-27-2012 11:53 AM

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IIRC, Vichy air force flew its Hawks against USN Wildcats during the Torch landings...


...which might have looked like this:

_1SMV_Gitano 05-27-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 429470)
Planes originally destined for France.

They ended up in North Africa [...]

You mean East Africa, right? ;)

ElAurens 05-27-2012 04:22 PM

The Vichy pilots fared very poorly against the USN's Wildcats. I don't think I would necessarly blame this on the aircraft.

And as a side note, I have always wondered why the Vichy French attacked Allied forces. Very odd looking at it from our time.


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